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Startbeitrag von st.pauliam 18.08.2012 23:57

Nachdem sich die Trainer in ihren Understatements gegenseitig übertroffen haben( die einen wollen eine junge Mannschaft mit18-19 jährigen für die Zukunft aufbauen, andere wollen mindestens 4. werden, wiederum andere wollen mindesten den 5. platz und der Rest will nicht absteigen) sind jetzt mal die User dieser Gruppe am Zug!! Welche Mannschaften seht ihr oben und welche unten!? Ich wünsche mir eine rege Beteiligung!!
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ach ja...vorbereitung ist schall und rauch! denke ich.
nehmen wir die hochgehandelten freunde aus HHL.....letztes jahr auf dem eigenen turnier werdühl, lüdenscheid geschlagen und erst mit dem letzten spieltag unter mithilfe von schierbaum, singmann, sackmann etc. die klasse gehalten!
dieses jahr mit drei - vier topverstärkungen verliert man das eigene turnier hinter dem zweiten iserlohn (unentschieden gespielt) und dem turniersieger "allstars" (in dem fall jedoch oldstars feat. dem SAMS -hüter von werdohl- & domme thäsler, der rest zwischen 35/einer, 37/einer und 41 - 46 jahren/die anderen sechs), dem man beim 10:15 nqach 25 minuten gar nichts entgegen zusetzten hatte.....
warum sundwig aufsteigt, HHL unter die top fünf kommt, lüdenscheid m.m.n. absteigen wird, altena eine schwere saison am ende glücklich abschliesst und wo oberaden die mögliche meisterschaft verspielt und nicht mal zweiter wird ;-), S/W sich wundert, dazu in den nächsten tagen mehr... :D

ich möchte noch für alle "doofen" in diesem forum anfügen: alle dinge, die ich schreibe, ebenso wie bei den meisten, sind hypothesen, unterfüttert mit ein klein wenig fachwissen, einer gehörigen portion glück und mithin fingerspitzen- oder bauchgefühl!
dieser absatz ist speziell dem handball-universalllaien willy coolman oder so ähnlich gewidmet :D


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von duke handball - am 19.08.2012 22:16
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ach ja...vorbereitung ist schall und rauch! denke ich.
nehmen wir die hochgehandelten freunde aus HHL.....letztes jahr auf dem eigenen turnier werdühl, lüdenscheid geschlagen und erst mit dem letzten spieltag unter mithilfe von schierbaum, singmann, sackmann etc. die klasse gehalten!
dieses jahr mit drei - vier topverstärkungen verliert man das eigene turnier hinter dem zweiten iserlohn (unentschieden gespielt) und dem turniersieger "allstars" (in dem fall jedoch oldstars feat. dem SAMS -hüter von werdohl- & domme thäsler, der rest zwischen 35/einer, 37/einer und 41 - 46 jahren/die anderen sechs), dem man beim 10:15 nqach 25 minuten gar nichts entgegen zusetzten hatte.....


An dieser Stelle erstmal meinen Glückwunsch an die Allstars. Keiner der teilnehmenden Mannschaften konnte ihnen das Wasser reichen!!! Bei dem ein oder anderen Bier nachdem Turnier hatte ich das bereits erwähnt :D

HHL mit einer ganz schlechten Turnierleistung!!! Da werden Sie diese Woche vom Trainer so denke ich auch die Quittung für erhalten.

VFK Iserlohn wird vielleicht in der BL oben mitspielen können....Doblies, Serafin, Barth, Fritsche, Knipping etc. sind alles gute Leute. Auch nach Iserlohn...Glückwunsch.

von Fili - am 20.08.2012 10:40
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es hätte mich echt gewundert wenn duke seinen fachwissenden senf zu diesem thema nicht beitragen würde!! der allwissenste duke ist natürlich in der handballszene nrw in allen hallen und foren unterwegs!! wenn jemand wissen möchte, wer von der kreisliga bis zur bundesliga auf oder absteigt, fragt einfach duke!!lol


alter hut, paulianer!
hat letztes jahr einer aus sundwig geschrieben, weil ich sagte, daß werdühl um den aufstieg mitspielt, vorletztes jahr einer aus warstein, weil ich schrieb, daß die aufsteiger schwelm und ferndorf II oben mitspielen werden. jetzt halt einer aus oberaden...so what!

mich persönlich würde jedoch brennend DEINE einschätzung interessieren hinsichtlich dieser liga, ist mein ernst!

ich sehe sundwig an eins, mit 44 - 50 punkten
top-trainer, top-hüter, top-regisseur, top-shooter analog denissow, top-junge-leute
allerdings: wenn sich jemand wichtiges dort verletzt, wäre es das beste, daß HaPe das wie in gevelsberg wieder selbst in die hand nimmt ;-)
danach (und darüber wundern die sich ggf., daß sie der "ärgste" verfolger sind) schwerte/westhofen, so die mannschaft und vor allem die "säulen" verletzungsfrei bleiben.....kohl ist ein guter trainer, lernt schnell und wird sich vermutlich nicht mehr so überraschen lassen wie dereinst in arnsberg! wer einmal genau hinschaut: S/W hat in der letzten saison zwischen dem 10. und 26. spieltag die meisten punkte außer werdohl geholt!
gespannt bin ich, ob neuzugang sebo bölling wieder traditionell mit ein paar kilo übergewicht in die meisterschaft einsteigt :D ;-)
hinter schwerte würde ich oberaden einsortieren.....ich schätze, daß die spiele im "sauerland" und in schwerte verhängnisvoll werden könnten. damit meine ich die kleine halle in halingen, arnsberg, hemer sowieso, hohenlimburg, den löh (wenn "Her-Die-Bar" mitspielen), schwerte und gaanz vielleicht sogar altena (kommt darauf an, mit welcher mannschaft kern aufläuft??).
zu heeren kann ich nicht viel sagen, diese mannschaft unterschätze ich ggf., aus dem bauch raus 5-7. davor sollten HHL und SGSH II landen. bei der SGSH II mache ich immer die einschränkung, ob bzw. wer aufläuft. bei HHL schätzt landsiedel die lage m.e. richtig ein. die erste sechs ist bis auf die RA-position ( :D :D :D) top besetzt, die abwehr wird mit B & P wittke sowie kißling an qualität gewinnen, man kann sich nur wünschen, daß die hüter konstant leistungen wie im letzen jahr der "rote baron" gg. sundwig abliefern. wer auch noch in diesem bereich bei heeren/SGSH II/ HHL landen könnte, das ist m.e. schwelm und ggf. auch halingen. von letztgenannter mannschaft war in der vorbereitung m.e. wenig zu hören, daher ein wenig die sphinx für mich.
bei arnsberg möchte ich abwarten, ob sich die gerüchte um jung, berghoff, klute verdichten bzw. wer letztlich im kader steht. sind diese drei alle nicht dabei, könnte es wieder enger werden, sollte aber reichen.
altena wird auf seine heimstärke bauen, um hier und da in der fremde dann auch zu überraschen. zahlen ggf. am anfang oder nach der ersten anfangseuphorie durchaus mal lehrgeld, aber die mannschaft sollte die klasse halten. denn mit warstein und lüdenscheid sind mannschaften dabei, die m.e. schwächer sind. bei lüdenscheid hat man mit beiden hütern und aki schürfeld stützen in der abwehr verloren, opitz und schlippe m.w nicht mehr dabei, köster??? dem stehen ein RA(??) sowie stirler und ein relativ alter (nichts schlimmes), reaktivierter hüter als neuzugänge gegenüber.
neben dem schnellen linksaußen flo füller (hut ab, ich wäre an seiner stelle innerhalb der VL gewechselt) sehe ich derzeit einzig mit shooter voss einen angreifer von LL-format. sicher, am kreis steht mit mario dornbach auch einer der besseren kreisläufer dieser liga, aber welche chancen hat der, wenn der rückraum harmlos ist außer voss??
bei warstein spielt die personalie schorlemer junior sicherlich eine große rolle, ob man die klasse halten wird oder ob es eng wird.
hagen III würde ich angesichts der dünnen personaldecken in den oberen mannschaften auch für eine mannschaft halten, die den blick ganz weit nach unten richten muß. aber möglicherweise grüßt dann wieder irgendwann das murmeltier in form von kötter oder alessio sideri.....oder genau anders rum und die alten kämpen a la rudi heite holen die kohlen aus dem feuer.
wen ich auch sehr schlecht einschätzen kann, das ist bergkamen II. ich wünsche dieser truppe jedoch, daß man mehr unterstützt wird als im letzten jahr die hammer zweite...deren abstieg hätte man m.e. nach ostern vermeiden können....

das ist meine einschätzung, wie es laufen KÖNNTE! nochmals -auch für dich, leev paulianer-:
einschätzung, gefühl, intuition, bisschen klatsch und tratsch aus der szene verarbeitet, tw. persönliche erfahrungen bzw. kenntnisse. damit habe ich in den letzten jahren in dieser liga und in der VL 2 relativ gut gelegen....allerdings auch so böcke geschossen, daß ich in der VL im letzten jahr volmetal hinter dem späteren aufsteiger gevelsberg an position zwei sah. daher ist sicher auch ein wenig glück dabei! sollte am ende ne andere mannschaft aufsteigen, z.b. oberaden oder von mir aus halingen und ich habe mich total vertan, wen juckt das?? ich werde derjenigen mannschaft vermutlich in diesem forum gratulieren, erwarte spott und häme hinsichtlich meiner unfassbar falschen prognosen und werde darüber lachen, wenn diese "gut verpackt" ist.

sportliche grüße, allen eine schöne, verletzungsfreie saison

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