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Poll for WinDev Book in English

Startbeitrag von Yogi Yang am 18.09.2012 06:06

I just want to have poll on the fact that how many developers of WinDev will prefer to spend money to buy a good book on WinDev in English?

Please do vote.

Antworten:

Hello Yogi

With 999 new features in each release, the Windev family of products is too much of a moving target for a book to be successfull. I don't think there is even a French language book available.

The existing examples and training/concept documentation released by PCSoft is enough to get anyone started and I think developers would be better served by PCSoft releasing the LST and the technical videos in English. This would have the advantage of providing a source of technical material relevant to the current release, which a book will never do without constant revisions.


Regards
Al

von Al - am 18.09.2012 08:13
Hi
I agree with Al

von Allard - am 18.09.2012 09:34
@Al & Allard,

I would like to contradict here with you both.

In any development tool there are many features that are stable and static (meaning they are never changed drastically) so any book that can cover this aspects will be valid across versions.

As for new features the author can always release a new version features update suppliment material to the original book.

von Yogi Yang - am 18.09.2012 13:16
Ok, if you want a WD, a WB or a WM book - why not write it ourselves? An Open Source / Community Version, something like WikiPedia? There has to be some discussion about the format, of course. Maybe, WikiPedia is not the right format. Principally, I can imagine to host it on www.windev.at .. Kind regards, Guenter

von GuenterP - am 18.09.2012 13:50
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GuenterP
Ok, if you want a WD, a WB or a WM book - why not write it ourselves? An Open Source / Community Version, something like WikiPedia? There has to be some discussion about the format, of course. Maybe, WikiPedia is not the right format. Principally, I can imagine to host it on www.windev.at .. Kind regards, Guenter


great idea Guenter . I don't mind to contributes few tips and trick , but I don't want to write

von CCC2 - am 19.09.2012 01:29
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GuenterP
Ok, if you want a WD, a WB or a WM book - why not write it ourselves? An Open Source / Community Version, something like WikiPedia? There has to be some discussion about the format, of course. Maybe, WikiPedia is not the right format. Principally, I can imagine to host it on www.windev.at .. Kind regards
Personally I would surely pruchase a well written book on WinDev but when it comes to writing I don't think I am that good at it ;)

But I have to say that you idea is inspiring me to give article writing a serious thought.

von Yogi Yang - am 19.09.2012 05:10
First day buyer for me - ESPECIALLY if it was more of a "tips and tricks" type of book that are very popular in the Clarion community. There are still a lot of things with WinDev that I can easily do with a few mouse clicks in Clarion that I cannot do with Windev; there are several more things that I can finally do with WinDev that requires a WHOLE lotta work (i.e. there must be an easier way) that still prevent me from ditching Clarion and going 100% WinDev.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=clarion+#/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=clarion+tips&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Aclarion+tips

von Scott Daughtry - am 19.09.2012 14:06
Incidentally, there are quite a few books written about WinDev that are in French:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=clarion+#/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=windev&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Awindev

The problem (for me) is I speak only English - because they are in printed format I can't pass the text to an online conversion program (e.g. Babelfish) to read them. The LST magazine looks very interesting, but the same problem exists...

von Scott Daughtry - am 19.09.2012 14:10
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Scott Daughtry
First day buyer for me - ESPECIALLY if it was more of a "tips and tricks" type of book that are very popular in the Clarion community. There are still a lot of things with WinDev that I can easily do with a few mouse clicks in Clarion that I cannot do with Windev; there are several more things that I can finally do with WinDev that requires a WHOLE lotta work (i.e. there must be an easier way) that still prevent me from ditching Clarion and going 100% WinDev.

Thanks for the insight.

After reading your post I feel that most of the developers adopting WinDev seem to come from environments like Clarion, Magic, PowerBuilder, etc.

While I for one come from other background where I use quite a lot of dev tools like VB, Delphi, C#, FreeBASIC, etc. So for developels with backgrounds similar to mine will probably not find a tips and tricks book appealing. Why? Coz we need quite a bit of hand holding esp. when building apps as we do not have (for example) Clarion background. And the programming concepts as currently explained in Tutorial and language gude feel a bit alienated.

von Yogi Yang - am 19.09.2012 14:27
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GuenterP
Ok, if you want a WD, a WB or a WM book - why not write it ourselves? An Open Source / Community Version, something like WikiPedia? There has to be some discussion about the format, of course. Maybe, WikiPedia is not the right format. Principally, I can imagine to host it on www.windev.at .. Kind regards, Guenter


WIKI Books maybe ?
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page

von Pragma Tix - am 19.09.2012 15:00
Personally, I would also like to see an English version of the LST.

It seems that the Hint & Tips books for Clarion have come from a similar source?

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Clarion Tips and Techniques, Volume 1 is a compilation of selected articles from Clarion Magazine


von DarrenF - am 19.09.2012 21:54
Of my dozen or so years with Windev, I would have saved at least a couple of years' sweat and tears, had there been a book about the basic features, hints and tips and worst bugs of Windev. They don't change over the years, and in Windev not even the bugs change, they are only added.

I was 10 times more productive with Clarion CPD, partly because of its superior quality over Wndev and partly because there were a couple of good books about it. I purchased them all and read them to pieces. Plus it had real manuals for both its language and tools...

IMO a book, printed in black on white, on real paper, is the most useable format for a learning publication. It has the best readability, mobility and usefulness everywhere. And reading a book is like a vacation away from the computer...

Best regards
Ola

von Ola - am 20.09.2012 07:03
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DarrenF
Personally, I would also like to see an English version of the LST.

What is LST?

von Yogi Yang - am 20.09.2012 07:17
Yogi,

LST is a WX focused magazine (via subscription) that has various content such as hints, tips, examples, articles etc... produced by PCS, *but*, at the moment it is only published in the French language :-(

LST = La Lettre du Support Technique

http://www.pcsoft.fr/lst/index.html

So - LST in English please?! :cheers:

von DarrenF - am 20.09.2012 07:27
@Darren,

Thanks for the info.

Lets hope this magazine will be available in English in near future.

von Yogi Yang - am 24.09.2012 04:34
Hello Yogi

Don't hold your breath waiting for the LST in English !

The fact that PCSoft not only refuse to provide technical doco (the LST) in English and refuse to provide the same technical videos in English as they do in French has always baffled me.

There is no logical or economic reason that makes any sense to continue to treat the English language developers as second class which they have in this regard from day one.

In terms of the videos, they could easily be overdubbed in English as the onscreen text is not that critical in getting the concepts across.

They already produce English language manuals in PDF so why not also produce the LST in English as a pdf ?

The cost to produce these items is not an excuse. The cost is just part of the committment to full support and making more sales. In fact we are probably a cheaper market because the glossy soft porn approach they use in France is not required by the majority of us. I don't need the LST in printed form.

PCSoft must be serious about the English language market so why not go all out with full technical support ? Are they just trying to maintain some sort of technical edge for French developers ?


Regards
Al

von Al - am 24.09.2012 22:53
Don't worry Al - I stopped holding my breath quite a while ago... in fact, just after my face started to turn blue! :-( ...I'm okay now the blood's come back! ;-)

I too can't see any logical *or* commercial reasoning behind their thinking either! :rolleyes:

Wonder if anyone has actually given PCS a call and asked? :confused:

von DarrenF - am 24.09.2012 23:33
Hi Darren, a few years ago there was a guy from the Netherlands who seriously intended to cooperate with PC Soft in publishing English LSTs. Unfortunately, he got a good offer for making a big Magic-project and so he abandoned the project before he got the first issue on its way. However, we exchanged quite a few mails before that and, I confess, it sounded a bit risky to me. He wanted to engage a professional translator, he had to make a contract with a printer ... quite a lot of money would have flown down the Graachts front up. I always doubted that the necessary number of copies (1000/year ?) would be sold. Why should PCSoft themselves enter such a risky business and if it turns out to be a big loss, how could they get out of it again? Kind regards, Guenter

von GuenterP - am 25.09.2012 06:13
Hello Guenter

I would suggest that most of us do not want or need a printed LST. A simple DVD of the examples, with the text as PDF would suffice and the pdf doesn't even have to be in a book format with indexes and TOC etc . A separate pdf document per example would be fine.
I am a programmer and for me it's the knowledge, not the presentation that's important.

PCSoft's business is to sell development languages and the LST should not be seen primarily as a source of revenue. Its main function should be to impart additional technical knowledge to developers who in turn will create better apps and promote Windev as the best thing since sliced bread.

The question of return on sales of the LST in English against cost is not relevant. PCSoft have to show more commitment to the English Language developers than they currently do and bear the cost as part of their overall marketing and development cost to be in the English language market and to prove to the English language developers that they support us technically in the same manner as they do for the French developers.

Windev is an odd development language that takes time for non French language users to appreciate and it must be hard enough for them in the US market already without the added burden of being seen as not fully supportive of the product they are trying to sell.

I think Windev is the best development langauge available and PCSoft are holding it back in the English Language market.

Regards
Al

von Al - am 25.09.2012 06:46
Hi Al,

This behavior is quite common in many European conuntries. They are so satisfied with the local market that they are not ready to entertain the international (Eng) market.

I know quite a few companies that are treating English as a second class citizen. And believe me their products are gems in their own rights!

Say for example: Codeless (Baveria), AvERP (German), Bitfarm DMS (German), etc.

von Yogi Yang - am 25.09.2012 07:16
I think there's truth in most of what's been said about PCS producing an English versio of the LST.

It could be that PCS want to be seen to be looking after their French "fan base" (for want of a better phrase!), which is fine, but correspondingly, I don't think we're asking for the Earth - just something that already exists... it's just that it's in a different language.

There is the cost issue to PCS, but I think (as Al says), we don't or need glossy mags and DVDs - I'm happy with a PDF and download example, projects, files etc. that accompany the PDF [[5]]

Here's a radical thought - maybe PCS would prefer if we all learnt French? :cool:

von DarrenF - am 25.09.2012 13:35
Just a note about the PDF, to easy to pass out to everyone..

Most likely the reason they keep it printed only people who pay for it can have it.

DW

von DW - am 25.09.2012 13:48
Maybe it could be tied to a dongle code? [[5]] ...they already have the system.

von DarrenF - am 25.09.2012 13:55
Tieing a PDF to a dongle :confused: would be a nightmare.

What they can do is create a executable that is tied to the dongle and the mag is readable only by running the executable. :).

As for French learning. I think learning a new langauge is not a bad idea by itself. :cheers:. It would lead to win-win situation for both sides.

von Yogi Yang - am 25.09.2012 14:04
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Yogi Yang
Tieing a PDF to a dongle :confused: would be a nightmare.

What they can do is create a executable that is tied to the dongle and the mag is readable only by running the executable. :).

As for French learning. I think learning a new langauge is not a bad idea by itself. :cheers:. It would lead to win-win situation for both sides.


Hi, be warned! France has a law which forbids the use of non-French words. Therefore, for each and every English buzzword in computer language they invented an equivalent French one! That makes translation and learning an extra hardship. Meanwhile, after 12 years of happy use of PC Soft products, we're able to kind of understand their technical brochures. Regards, Guenter

von GuenterP - am 25.09.2012 14:18
Hello All,

We have a complete set of training courses based on WD in English. It is available as a Self Training course with 310+ page manual and corresponding real word examples. We also have a Streaming Video course with the same mater ail plus 11+ hours of streaming video.

The manual and examples are tightly integrated to form a comprehensive truing course. We use the same material here in our St. Louis classes.

We've just recently added the corresponding WB examples where applicable.

The course is heavily weighted towards data access. ALmost any conceivable way to retrieve data, tables, HFilters, Parameterized Queries, SQL Statements, Stored Procedures, HF and SQL.

Included in the examples are a reusable QBE that you can use on any window or web page without royalties. We've also included a Business Rules example where you graphical create a business rule, save it to a database and use it on any window or webpage used for maintenance. The fields arfe automatically highlighted to show required fields, or any business rule you chose to create. The code to implement this is 1 line of code. Validating of the data takes place when saving a record and it requires 3 lines of code.

You can view a few minutes of each video to see what is covered and to see if it might fit your needs. Siply go to www.sdcdev.net and log in as GUEST/GUEST

Thanks
Glenn Rathke
www.sdcdev.net

von Glen Rathke - am 25.09.2012 16:43
I'm going to pigggyback off of Glenn's post - I purchased his WD video training series and they are GOLD. I come to WD from the Clarion world - Clarion, by itself, has some power and flexibility, but it is the third party market that makes Clarion so drop-dead easy (and expensive) - there are still some things in Clarion that I simply cannot duplicate in WD that are holding me back from dropping Clarion, but I'm inching forward. Glenn's QBE module goes a VERY long way to satisfying my need to a Query Wizard module to limit information displayed on an onscreen browse or a report, and Glenn has so many useful nuggets of information within his video series (e.g. a capitalization function for data entry fields - something a LOT of us have complained about here on this forum as missing from data entry field patterns) that makes the price of entry a true bargain. The videos are very clear, concise, and enjoyable to watch.... you owe it to yourself to surf over and check them out...

von Scott Daughtry - am 25.09.2012 17:59
What comes first... the chicken or the egg?

Would a guarantee of 1000 subscriptions justify and English LST?

Would PCS get 1000 new sales of Wx if they were able to show prospective buyers that there is technical documentation beyond a tutorial?

JAT.

von A Bonds - am 20.10.2012 02:03
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Glen Rathke
Hello All,

We have a complete set of training courses based on WD in English. It is available as a Self Training course with 310+ page manual and corresponding real word examples. We also have a Streaming Video course with the same mater ail plus 11+ hours of streaming video.

The manual and examples are tightly integrated to form a comprehensive truing course. We use the same material here in our St. Louis classes.

We've just recently added the corresponding WB examples where applicable.

The course is heavily weighted towards data access. ALmost any conceivable way to retrieve data, tables, HFilters, Parameterized Queries, SQL Statements, Stored Procedures, HF and SQL.

Included in the examples are a reusable QBE that you can use on any window or web page without royalties. We've also included a Business Rules example where you graphical create a business rule, save it to a database and use it on any window or webpage used for maintenance. The fields arfe automatically highlighted to show required fields, or any business rule you chose to create. The code to implement this is 1 line of code. Validating of the data takes place when saving a record and it requires 3 lines of code.

You can view a few minutes of each video to see what is covered and to see if it might fit your needs. Siply go to www.sdcdev.net and log in as GUEST/GUEST

Thanks
Glenn Rathke
www.sdcdev.net

Hello Glenn.
I'm particulary interested in the Business Rules matter. What is the example about BR exactly? Is it a tutorial/example about how to create a BR component? Is it about using a piece of compiled code provided by you in this package? I'd like to know more!

Kind regards.

von RAUL2 - am 26.01.2013 01:05
I'd rather see a download center with examples, and Tips and Tricks.

The WD included books are just OK, and the online help is too brief with examples, so as a new learner I need to try and scan through the examples to try and figure out how things work.

This site is useful when there is a completed solution provided, but as a necomer I find even detailed code snippets are out of context and hard to learn from.

Dave Harms has published Clarion Mag for more than a decade and has recently taken on Windev...

https://www.devroadmaps.com/display/windevhome/WinDev+Content

...this may grow to be a useful site, but it needs input from multiple sources.

von Geoff B - am 27.01.2013 06:02
If 1000 copies is enough to produce a LST in English then that should not be the problem. Since in Holland ( 1000) licenses probably 90% are English, for some of us do, but most of us don’t speak French.
Then you have the UK , VS and Australia all English. I don’t know how many licenses but It would be quite possible in the tens of thousands.

I certainly would subscribe to it.

For PC soft it would also be a 1+ 1 = 3 process. Selling an additional 10- 15 thousand magazines is cash. And If documentation is better sales would probably go up as well.

I choose windev because I tried the trial version and saw it’s was great , but hesitated because I could not find any books ( except for French books at Amazon ) I guess that, certainly for bigger companies, this might be why they don’t choose WX

Maybe it is a good idea if we all send an email to PC soft in which we state that if an English version of LST was available we would take a subscription. It could be an incentive and take away the fear of it only costing money they probably have had till now.

Regards,

Allard

von Allard - am 27.01.2013 12:57
Hi. Honestly, It seems not fair (I could also say not honest) to me to buy a magazine to PCS. They should provide tones of documentation and examples in order to make their customers happy. Of course, it would be great as an adoption method to tempt another developers.

I think PCS products are too expensive and they don't meet the basic requirements. "10 times faster" is a lie. It could be 2 or maybe 3 times faster if they correct the tones of nasty bugs their products have.

Regards.

von RAUL2 - am 27.01.2013 15:43
Hi RAUL2,

2x ist good enough for any small software business relying on making software alone! Means: WinDev doubles the income! Makes a jump from meager 24.000,- Euros to whopping 48.000,- Euros for a single freelancer per year! Minimum. Means further: WinDev is dirt cheap! A 400,- Euro upgrade each year compares to at least an additional 24.000,- Euros of invoiced software value. For me, they can tell any stories they like to!

Regards,
Guenter

von GuenterP - am 27.01.2013 16:42
Raul2, i must agree with Gunter. The software isnot expensive. If I could get an LST subscription for say 100 euro extra then I would buy it.


Regards,
Allard

von Allard - am 27.01.2013 19:05
Hi Allard,

The French LST price for countries outside France is: 175€ + tax

von Frans - am 28.01.2013 15:23
Thanks Frans didnot know the price

Hmm that's a bit more than I thought but still doable.

Allard

von Allard - am 28.01.2013 17:34
I asked Tech Support about the ENglish LST last week and was told there were no plans.

von Bob Roos - am 31.01.2013 02:09
The old Windev 8 manual was great for learning the 'H' commands and to get a feel for Windev. I don't know about you guys but I seem to absorb more from a book than if I am reading something off a screen. Can't explain it..

Also, a book is great for those times when you are 'otherwise indisposed'. basically, in the bathroom, bog, Khazi or whatever you want to call it.

Not an ideal situation for laptops.... need I say more....

:0

von bosher - am 16.02.2013 22:19
What I would do for an english LST. Its a conspiracy to keep the french programmers more adept at windev than we english speakers. Yes I said it......

issah

von issah - am 17.02.2013 15:00
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issah
What I would do for an english LST. Its a conspiracy to keep the french programmers more adept at windev than we english speakers. Yes I said it......
issah


Cui bono? There are excellent programmers in the non-French Wx-world just like in the French Wx-world. The LSTs alone don't generate excellent programmers by themselves, believe me. An excellent programmer has a couple of years experience using several programming languages, hopefully something like C++, C#, VB, maybe some Java and PHP too. Knows and has used a few databases like SQL server an MySQL. Has made and finished several projects. From there it's easy to deal with a W-Language project - with or without LSTs. Kind regards, Guenter

von GuenterP - am 17.02.2013 15:44
Bob - that was incredibly bad news to hear; I would instantly punch in my credit card for an English language LST. I bought every Clarion language "tips & tricks" book that was released (and they are still on my bookshelf) and they made a dramatic difference in my skill level. Surely PC Soft can hire one bi-lingual employee at minimum wage to translate the text within their desktop publishing software, save it to PDF and then reap the profits....

von Scott Daughtry - am 17.02.2013 17:15
Hi Guenter,

I must admit that I was thinking in the same lines as issah...

IMHO, With the current high level programming tools, such as Windev, you don't necessarily need to be an "excellent" programmer. You need to be an excellent application designer. As a matter of fact, it is better to be an excellent application designer (with lots of experience from real life needs) rather than an excellent programmer that knows the ins and outs of "C" and Assembler, but has no other working experience than low-level programming.

I started with Basic, upgraded to Clarion CPD and finally settled with Windev. I tried to have a look at some lower level languages, but they were not from my world. I read some books of Basic and all books of Clarion CPD. The Clarion books actually helped in some respects also with Windev. I really do miss a good book about Windev.

I believe all programmers, regardless of "quality":), need some hints and tips every now and then in order to utilize all the horsepowers of a language. Why else are they producing the LST in French?

I would like to have a Windev book in English, and also the LST in English, and also all the samples in English, even if they comply only with the French laws and practices.

If somebody would write the Windev book, I could consider publishing it:-)

best regards
Ola

von Ola - am 18.02.2013 09:09
Guenter, you didn't get my point. WD is great but service to the english community is just too weak. Had this forum not existed, we would have been in a big mess. What I said may not be true, but pcsoft acts that way. The LST must be good else it wouldn't have enough subscribers and so would not be published. Well, only a section of the community has access to it, the rest of us are on our own. And as usual, pcsoft has no plans for it. I would understand if pcsoft published an english LST for say a year, then either cancelled it or modified the price due to low subscriptions, (at least they tried) but to have no plans....

Sounds like "let them eat cake" to me.....

issah

von issah - am 18.02.2013 10:17
Hello Ola

I agree with your assessment that with a high level language, the real life skills of the developer are more important than nut and bolts low level programming skills. I also agree with Issah in that PCSoft have a take or leave it attitude to non French speaking developers and probably deep down, they think we should all make the effort and learn to speak French.

PCSoft consistently maintain a "them and us" with the differences in technical support, examples and release dates in the provision of their software to French and non French developers.

It is ridiculous to suggest that the cost of producing the LST and the examples should be a factor - an LST disk with English examples and pdf's is all we are asking for, surely thats not too hard

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PCSoft's own French site boasts

This is standard software for teams who can create application software and Internet and intranet sites.
Millions of software environments created with PC SOFT are used throughout the world.
Since 1984, PC SOFT used for the dissemination of high-tech tools available to the greatest number.

Our constant goal:
provide the best environment
developing world,
and easier to use
Then designed PC SOFT WINDEV , Workshop Windows and Software Engineering. Net the most comprehensive, easiest to use, most used in France and distributed in more than 103 countries.

More than 140,000 professional developers have chosen WINDEV , and millions of WINDEV applications are used worldwide.

Developers in 103 countries, 140,000 developers worldwide, the percentage on non French speaking developers must be overtaking the number of French speakers and with English as the main business world language, it is madness not to fully support the English language version.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/09/top-3-useful-foreign-languages-for-business-excludes-spanish/
The top usefull business languages after English are Mandarin, French, Arabic and Spanish, but that is just for business communication
I would suggest that because most computer languages are based on the English language that more programmers would be fluent with English than in French.

When PCSofts position defies logic and sound business practice then the only remaining conclusion is that they just regard the non French speaking developers as an income source to be handed just enough to hook them in.

It's a pity because they have the best small to medium business development language in the world and could become a major force with just a tiny bit of additional effort.

I also think that discussions like these on the forum are probably counter productive because PCSoft possibly have a seige mentality in regard to their non French clients, and if that's the case, they have created the conditions for it.

PCSoft, it's time for detente and time to commit 100 % to the English langauge version.

Regards
Al

von Al - am 18.02.2013 21:34
Hi All,

When I bailed out from Clarion to Windev 5.5, PCSoft boasted with 40.000 developers, most of which surely were French. Today, of the boasted 140.000 Wx developers, I assume, the majority must be, if not English-speaking, at least English-understanding and non-French-speaking ones, like me.

There really is something "frenchy" in PCSoft's language politics:-(.

best regards
Ola

von Ola - am 19.02.2013 09:24
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Ola

When I bailed out from Clarion to Windev 5.5, PCSoft boasted with 40.000 developers, most of which surely were French. Today, of the boasted 140.000 Wx developers, I assume, the majority must be, if not English-speaking, at least English-understanding and non-French-speaking ones, like me.


I've always wondered... is that figure they quote the number of active V17 Wx developers/licenses, or the number of licenses sold since they introduced WinDev back in the 90's. Seems 140,000 renewals at $500 average per license ($70 million per year) would support one heck of a staff... and yet I hear rumor there is only around 60-75 staff and that includes everybody from CEO to janitor. Unless they have one heck of a compensation program you wonder where the money went if they truly have 140,000 developers supporting them.

von ABonds - am 18.03.2013 17:49
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Scott Daughtry
there are still some things in Clarion that I simply cannot duplicate in WD that are holding me back from dropping Clarion, but I'm inching forward.


I've seen you mention in a few places that there are things you cant do in WD but you can do easily in Clarion, what are those things you cant do in WD?


Re the need for a book in English, Dave Harms had the right idea for getting all the articles people have written for ClarionMag and then rehashing them into a printable book, so maybe something similar like an online wiki might be a good starting point. If the wiki can be converted into a book quickly and easily then theres an extra bonus for those who like to read away from the computer and/or scribble notes on the pages.

I think online collaboration is the way forward though.

von RichardRose - am 21.03.2013 22:29
Richard - I do like your WIKI idea... the challenge is who would quality control it's contents to ensure that the code actually works and it isn't accidentally / purposely hacked (an increasing problem with blog sites)?

von Scott Daughtry - am 22.03.2013 06:20
Why cant moderation be done by all? Afterall a 2nd pair of eyes over one pair generally helps so a wiki platform with suitable editing controls and audit/history of changes should be a requirement at least.

Maybe building a list of possible requirements/features would be a good starting place.

Heres a link of some free wiki platforms which might also throw up some ideas of what else might be required.
http://www.clickonf5.org/7599/10-free-opensource-wiki-software-engine/

von RichardRose - am 22.03.2013 10:35
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