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License Questions & Senerios

Startbeitrag von StanleyBarnett am 04.12.2015 18:34

Hi,

Our current customers only use MS products such as Windows, free SQL Express, and IIS, we too use and supports those products. HFSQL would be a hard sell as no-one has ever heard of it including myself in the 20+ years of database application development I've done.

In addition to purchasing WinDev, WinDev Mobile, and WebDev, what other options are needed for out shop to build and deploy a complete "build and test facility" for the three platforms enabling us to build multi-user Desktop, Mobile and Web apps at our shop?

Please answer Yes or No, and I'll get costs from sales...

LICENSES for DEVELOPMENT, DEPLOYMENT and TESTING in our Shop
1. Each Windows install?
2. SQLExpress?
3. IIS?
4. Android?
5. iOs?
6. Windows Phone?
7. Web?
8. Any application servers involved?
9. Are we allowed to protect our software as we see fit?
10. Multi-user license needed? (see additional info below)
11. SQL Native Access needed? YES, (see additional info below)
12. Any costs related to redundancy, less hardware?
13. Cost to replicate for live backups, less hardware?
14. Is there a "Windows Server" up-charge if a server OS is used?
15. Is there a separate dongle for each developer tool per developer? Example: one for WinDev, one for WinDev Mobile and one for WebDev
16. Any annual costs involved?

LICENSES for DEPLOYMENT at Customer Site
17. Each Windows install?
18. SQLExpress?
19. IIS?
20. Android ?
21. iOs?
22. Windows Phone?
23. Web?
24. Application servers involved?
25. Any PC-Soft required dongles required on customer's machines?
26. Multi-user license needed? (see additional info below)
27. SQL Native Access needed? YES, (see additional info below)
28. Any costs related to redundancy, less hardware?
29. Cost to replicate for live backups, less hardware?
30. Is there a "Windows Server" up-charge if a server OS is used?
31. Any annual costs involved?

32. What am I missing, and don't know to ask?

Additional Info...
10 & 26. Is there a multi-user feature license? I saw this thread http://27130.foren.mysnip.de/read.php?27131,219972,220565#msg-220565 relating to it, please describe.

11&27. For performance reasons, many has suggested that SQL access via ODBC is slow and Native Access is the only way to go, therefore Native Access is required.

Thanks,
Stanley

Antworten:

Re: License Questions & Senerios

You can read the License agreement's here:
http://doc.windev.com/en-US/search2.awp?q=was%20license&mode=user&origin=searchbox

1 to 16 (without native access) For windev/WinDev Mobile you only need the product.
1 to 16 (without native access) For webdev if 10 connections are ok for you to test/deploy you only need the the product if you need more connection you need one WAS for every IIS used to test/deploy

17 to 31 (without native access) for windev/WinDev Mobile no cost
17 to 31 (without native access) for webdev you need one WAS for every IIS used.
25 - Dongles are only needed for development

31 - No.............
They release one new version of the products every year, if you want to use the new version or use the free technical support you need to update (with cost) every year.


For the native access read the License agreement, it's the same for DEVELOPMENT, DEPLOYMENT and TESTING
You can use OLEDB to connect to the MSSQL. just test it to see if the performance is ok for you.

von Paulo Oliveira - am 04.12.2015 18:53

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi Stanley,

LICENSES for DEVELOPMENT, DEPLOYMENT and TESTING in our Shop
1. Each Windows install?
I'm not sure what you are asking here... You'll need windows on your computer, so yes... You'll need a licence to use windev or webdev or mobile on a computer, and youl'll receive one dungle per product, so yes, I suppose

2. SQLExpress?
If you want to use it, it's your problem

3. IIS?
Can be used or you can choose apache.

4. Android?
Mobile will have you download and install the android sdk and several packges, all free. Compiling and install on yrou tet hadrware is done from windev mobile directly


5. iOs?
You'll need a mac to compile, with an apple developer licence (99$/year)+iphone/ipad to test

6. Windows Phone?
Forget about it... Too limited for any professional use as of now.


7. Web?
When deploying a webdev site, youll need a webdev engine/server licence per server if you chose to create your site in classic or awp mode. If you chose PHP then no lincese needed, but as this mode is much more limited, you'll find yourself in more trouble and with less resources to solve them, so try and forget about the php mode.
For testing, you can of course test directly on your dev machine, or use the free 10 user server available.

8. Any application servers involved?
Yep... see 7.

9. Are we allowed to protect our software as we see fit?
Yep... It's your problem.

10. Multi-user license needed? (see additional info below)
each developer needs a dungle to work. If yo have 3 developer using windev at the SAME TIME, you need 3 licences. Multi-licences dungles are available if you want them, but then everybody has to work on the same network.

11. SQL Native Access needed? YES, (see additional info below)
Or NO... I have several customers who have been using MSSQL through ODBC/OLEDB for years without any problems. "slow" is a very relative term.

12. Any costs related to redundancy, less hardware?
No idea what you mean

13. Cost to replicate for live backups, less hardware?
See WXReplication on my web site (open source)

14. Is there a "Windows Server" up-charge if a server OS is used?
no

15. Is there a separate dongle for each developer tool per developer? Example: one for WinDev, one for WinDev Mobile and one for WebDev
yes

16. Any annual costs involved?
upgrade to new version if you want it (you DO WANT it)

LICENSES for DEPLOYMENT at Customer Site

17. Each Windows install?
Nope

18. SQLExpress?
Your choice, your problem

19. IIS?
Your choice, your problem

20. Android ?
nope

21. iOs?
Different type of costs depening of the type of deployment (99 for apple store, 299 for enterprise, etc)

22. Windows Phone?
Forget about it

23. Web?
Already answered

24. Application servers involved?
Already answered

25. Any PC-Soft required dongles required on customer's machines?
nope

26. Multi-user license needed? (see additional info below)
nope

27. SQL Native Access needed? YES, (see additional info below)
Your choice, yor problem

28. Any costs related to redundancy, less hardware?
29. Cost to replicate for live backups, less hardware?
30. Is there a "Windows Server" up-charge if a server OS is used?
nope
31. Any annual costs involved?
nope
32. What am I missing, and don't know to ask?

You should use HFSQL for most tasks, as there is no license and it includes and automatic updating tool for the DBs when you change the analysis. On any other DB, you'll need to code alter tables.
You can code your whole thing with HF and then change on the fly at execution time with just a few lines of codes (hchangeconnexion) if your customer really wants MSSQL and the associated EXTRA costs.

Additional Info...
10 & 26. Is there a multi-user feature license? I saw this thread http://27130.foren.mysnip.de/read.php?27131,219972,220565#msg-220565 relating to it, please describe.

11&27. For performance reasons, many has suggested that SQL access via ODBC is slow and Native Access is the only way to go, therefore Native Access is required.

And many disagree...

Best regards


von Fabrice Harari - am 04.12.2015 19:00

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi Paulo,

>> http://doc.windev.com/en-US/search2.awp?q=was%20license&mode=user&origin=searchbox

Reviewing this page raises many more question. For example, what is and do I need any of these items listed in the page above? I opened some of their pages and its not clear what the are or what they do or if needed.

1. WDInt?
2. Reports and Queries? Isn't this part of the base sdk?
3. WDDixio?
4. WDMSG?
5. WDTRAD?

What is the difference in WinDev Mobile and WinDev Mobile Express?

Is version 21 out, as I just received a French email showing Version 21 and a lot of TVs and smart phone offerings?

Is there any conversion tools for moving data from SQL to HFSQL, HFSQL to MSSQL and other variants available?

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 04.12.2015 20:01

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi Fabrice,

Thanks for your answers, as they were very helpful!

>> automatic updating tool for the DBs when you change the analysis

So, when developing or modifying my app I can freely change the database and data table definitions without thinking about the deployments of the same app. When the deployments gets an update, the new changes is automatically applied??? If not, please explain.

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 04.12.2015 20:38

Re: License Questions & Senerios

1. Wdint - Normally no, only if you need to translate the framework messages for other lagunges.

2. Yes

4 - 5. Normally no, only if you need to extract one laguage from your project (windows, reports,...) to translate to other language.

WDINT & WDMSG are sold in the same pakage.

Express are the free version (windev & windev mobile), you can download them to test the product but they are limited editions.

Version 21 is only availabe in french (beta), normally the english version is realesed arround may/june.

von Paulo Oliveira - am 04.12.2015 20:55

Re: License Questions & Senerios

automatic updating tool for the DBs when you change the analysis - Yes if your DB is HFSQL, if not you have to change the structure yourself.

von Paulo Oliveira - am 04.12.2015 20:56

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Quote
stanlyn
Hi Fabrice,

Thanks for your answers, as they were very helpful!

>> automatic updating tool for the DBs when you change the analysis

So, when developing or modifying my app I can freely change the database and data table definitions without thinking about the deployments of the same app. When the deployments gets an update, the new changes is automatically applied??? If not, please explain.

Thanks,
Stanley


See if this page answers most of your question:
http://help.windev.com/en-US/?3044195&name=Auto_modif_of_data_files

Also clarification on this:
1. Each Windows install?

I took this as maybe meaning 'do I have to get a license for each Windows install'. If that was the question, then NO. Use of Wx products are controlled by a dongle. You can install WinDev, WebDev or WD Mobile on any computer, but in order to run it you need to have a dongle plugged into a USB port. No ticket no laundry.

von Art Bonds - am 05.12.2015 04:58

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi Art,

After reviewing your article, I see a line that doesn't make sense... It is:

Limitation
The automatic modification of the data files operates for the data files with indexes.

Why would that be a limitation? If it can operate on data files with indexes, it surely can operate on data files without indexes, can't it?

I see another issue not discussed in the article... lets say in development I completely change the name of 2 different fields, "field_22" to "last_name" and "field_10" to "city". How can I be certain it will change the field names correctly?

I would expect it to change the values in a character field to 0, if I changed its type to numeric.

What other senerios would the auto modification fail at?

Will it convert intelligently what it can, like when converting a numeric field's value value to a character field type, it converts and keeps the value as the new char type, which could be reversed?

Fabrice answered the windows install, as I wanting to know if deployed on windows required an additional license, such as royalty.

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 05.12.2015 06:30

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Quote

Why would that be a limitation? If it can operate on data files with indexes, it surely can operate on data files without indexes, can't it?


Hi, WX can handle files with no indices too and treat them like data files. XML, ASCII .. those are excluded. It's not a big loss, because in real life you would not restructure an XML-file anyway. And no, WDMODFIC needs an index to restructure the physical file. It works like that. It would be very unusual to have a MySQL, SQL-Server or even a HFSQL file without any index. Makes no sense. Why not use a text file for this type of data after all?

von GuenterP - am 05.12.2015 07:25

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hello Stanley

You can keep asking questions and we can try to answer them but there is no substitute for actually rolling up your sleeves and trying it out and some of your questions now are getting into that realm.

For your questions re how the analysis works, create some files, populate them and then change them to see what happens. I can't imagine a situation where I had an application in production and changed a field from character to numeric but if I did I would write a repair process to take care of converting the data.

I can't recall if you ever mentioned the area that your current VFP programs cover so what exactly are you going to attempt to do with Windev ?

Regards
Al

von Al - am 05.12.2015 07:41

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi Al,

Thanks to all that has provided very helpful info and tips to me, thereby helping me and OTHER VFP'ers make the switch to WX,

>> there is no substitute for actually rolling up your sleeves and trying it out and some of your questions now are getting into that realm

I agree if the terminology was similar enough, but calling databases and tables "analysis"? Sorry, analysis doesn't mean anything close. Analysis is the result of analyzing something, (a study of). Dictionary.com says it this way: "this process as a method of studying the nature of something or of determining its essential features and their relations"

Every time I roll up my sleeves and get into the IDE, I get so frustrated that I quit. I do however see that this is what I'll switch too as I see a lot of familiar things, but currently I need to make sure that we have a good fit before spending the $1000 on training from SoftDesign, as the youtube training videos are either in French (both instructor and screens) or outdated. So instead, I reading and studying the on-line help and asking question of forums. Thanks for answering!!!


>> so what exactly are you going to attempt to do with Windev ?
To replace VFP for future desktop development and start new web and mobile developments, something VFP cannot do.

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 05.12.2015 09:42

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Stanley

"Analysis" is a good word for the function it performs. It is not just a list of databases or files. It is the analysis of how the entire database system interconnects, the relationships between files and fields, the triggers that are fired, the integrity checks that must be enforced, the queries supported, and all the stuff related to designing and building and maintaining an integrated database system. And it is all done/shown graphically which helps. It is exactly the dictionary definition you provide - an analysis of the entire database system, files, fields, indexes, interelations, triggers, queries, rules, integrity, etc.

If you want a similar thing in VFP, although imo much less powerful, VFP equivalent then think of Stonefield Database Toolkit.

Getting hung-up on the word is an example of getting hung-up on your current way of thinking about VFP development :) It also bothered me in the beginning; why do I need it, why can’t I just design a file and edit it/browse it, etc. But then, once I started seeing what it could do, and what it all does for me as a developer, then you see how cool it is. One example - you release a system to a user. You then decide to add a field to a file on your dev mahcine. When you next give the user your new exe the analysis will automatically (if you want that) update the end-users database to match yours. No coding required.

von JP - am 05.12.2015 11:19

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Stanley

Here is the first post I made on the UT and it is specifically about the Analysis:

----

The Analysis

1) Any WinDev project you develop, whether for desktop, mobile or web, will probably require a database. That database is defined and designed in what WD calls the Analysis. The analysis allows you to define the tables that will be in your database; the table structures and properties, indices, etc.

2) The various tables are represented by boxes whose appearance (e.g. colours and size) you can set. I have chosen some colouring to group related tables in my project together. I made my boxes small but you can resize them which would show fields and keys.

3) The Analysis window can be zoomed in/out so that you can clearly read the boxes and their contents. You can zoom in/out using the mouse wheel or the menu system or the toolbars of the IDE.

4) Besides holding all the table definitions it also allows you to specify all the table integrity rules and links. You do this by simply dragging lines between the key fields of tables and then specifying the rules; one to one, one to many, etc. Any relational database rule can be defined between any group of tables and WD will then manage and enforce that for you.

5) An analysis can be shared amongst several projects.

6) When you make a change to a table and save the analysis then WD will ask you whether you want to apply those changes to an existing database – automatic database maintenance! Furthermore, these changes are automatically applied to your end-users database when they run the program with the new analysis.

6) There are many tools for managing the analysis from backup, to repairing, to compiling it, generating it, applying it to an existing database etc.

7) The analysis immediately reflects in your Intellisense so that when a function or program line requires a table, it is suggested as you type. When you require a field, a list is presented as you type.

8) The analysis enforces the correct usage of field types in your code and can update field name changes throughout the project.

9) The analysis allows you to import external database structures including VFP files. It can also import the data. This saves you having to manually redefine tables and fields.

10) You can add external files, such as VFP files, into an analysis without converting the file. So it can remain a VFP file, for example, but still have its definition in the analysis.


WD Help Links:

I just include a single link here but the See Also button will link you to further reading.

http://doc.windev.com/en-US/?2011022&name=analysis_associated_with_project&productversion=XXA170078P&verdisp=170

von JP - am 05.12.2015 11:27

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi JP,

The analysis as you explained looks very impressive. Many things that VFP cannot do. just remember that is why I'm here.

I too own and use SDT (Stonefield Database Tools) by Doug Hennig. When someone mentioned the auto undate functionality, I wanted to verify if it done what SDT did.

When you say that you can import VFP tables and their data into it, what is it going into? a HFSQL table? or ???

I also noticed in some of the videos that certain fields were boldfaced, what does that represent?

I also read about a window sibbling. A child window is not the same, correct? How would it relate to VFP forms? I was reading about the sibbling window in the global and local variables help section on where variables were seen. I also noticed there is no private variable, and that global is not really global. Which begs another question... There are times that we want to declare a variable to be seen everywhere, up and down the hierarchy, how is that done?

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 05.12.2015 12:05

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Stanley

>When you say that you can import VFP tables and their data into it, what is it going into? a HFSQL table? or ???

The Analysis does not contain data. It contains the definition of the files, fields, rules, triggers, etc. You can then tell it what type of file it should use, i.e. a WinDev Classic HyperFile, or WinDev Client/Server, or even external files. It can then create the files literally as you run the app for the first time (if they dont alreadty exist).

One of the uses of the Analysis is that it "tells" WinDev what the files and fields are and then WinDev can help you code via Intellisense when you reference a field or file. It then also makes sure you are using the field in a legitimate way i.e. as a numeric or a Boolean or whatever. So the analysis (a) helps you picture/understand the database system, (b) tells WinDev what is needed, (c) helps you code via intellisense and others means, (d) can propagate changes to your database and that of your users. I'm sure there are more things but I'm only a newb and other guru's here can offer more. I also suggest you look at Fabrice Harari's videos and website. He is a frequent poster here. And Guenter who runs the forum also has a WinDev consulting shop and has extensive knowledge.

>I also noticed in some of the videos that certain fields were boldfaced, what does that represent?

Not sure I looked at the videos you reference. I bought the product - went through the tutorials. Then picked a very small app and tried to build it in WinDev. Got that working and learned a lot. Then built a slightly bigger app. Then started re-creating my databases in WinDev using the analysis. Then wrote a conversion program for VFP database to WinDev. etc. etc.

One warning - the WinDev access to VFP DBF/CDX is not perfect. There are some funnies that you need to be aware off. I can’t remember them right now but will go through my code where I have made notes. You can also use the VFP ODBC driver which is also working and is required if you want to access memo fields properly. i.e. the native, built-in WinDev VFP access does not handle the memo fields properly (iirc) and then you need to switch to using VFP ODBC. Then finally, the VFP ODBC is a 32bit driver and so will not work from within a WinDev 64 bit compiled app. PCSoft will not change this or update the VFP file handling as there is no business case for them to do so.

>I also read about a window sibling. A child window is not the same, correct? How would it relate to VFP forms?

Sibling windows exist at the same z-order plane as each other. Child windows must be called from parent windows and you can’t get back to the parent without closing the child (like a modal) window. One gotcha I found: In VFP a modal window still remains inside the main application window. In WinDev a modal window can be moved outside the main application window. This was counter to what I think should happen but, hey, one of those things and I just program a way around it.

>I was reading about the sibling window in the global and local variables help section on where variables were seen. I also noticed there is no private variable, and that global is not really global. Which begs another question... There are times that we want to declare a variable to be seen everywhere, up and down the hierarchy, how is that done?

Variables that you want to access throughput the entire application you can set up in the code of the project itself. Unlike VFP, WinDev projects can have code associated with it. This can contain definition of constants, setting up global variables, setting up the environment, etc. This code is directly accessed from the project window. The project itself also contains on-project-close code and other project-wide things.

PCSoft claim "10 times faster" - well that's a tall order. However, I would say that once you are up to speed you are probably 5 times faster in WinDev than VFP. This is not entirely due to WinDev but also due simply to the fact that the IDE of WinDev is in continuous development and improvement (like, say, Visual Studio is) and those IDE enhancements help you. Whereas VFP has not changed its IDE since VFP9 / 2008 or thereabouts.

Please get to that thread on the UT - it goes through a lot of this already.

von JP - am 05.12.2015 12:24

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Thanks JP,

You help has been extremely valuable, in fact, its time to place the order.

Going now to UT and try to find your link...

Thanks again,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 05.12.2015 23:25

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi JP,

Cannot find it. I've looked in the UT articles, web articles, blogs, faq and other toolbar items.

The only place I see WinDev is in a forum preference list where I can sort them by order. I have it checked. I see it nowhere else. Just noticed I quit UT back in 2002 for the very same "hard to navigate reasons', but its probably just me. Didn't see any new content either...

Why not copy it into this forum under a suitable title, as any fox developer would certainly search this forum for vfp or fox when they come here.. Make sense to me, plus we have already added a lot of content that would be of interest to any vfper in the last couple days. They will see answers for questions already asked and answered (if answered).

Thanks again,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 06.12.2015 00:09

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi,

Also added a link to this forum that may help VFPers looking for alternative replacements. The link is at:

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/44e63b3e-7510-4ead-82ce-a7526fe0a14d/windev-webdev-windev-mobile-from-a-vfp-perspective?forum=visualfoxprogeneral


Another link from tek-tips at:

http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1759311

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 06.12.2015 00:13

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Quote
stanlyn
>> there is no substitute for actually rolling up your sleeves and trying it out and some of your questions now are getting into that realm

I agree if the terminology was similar enough, but calling databases and tables "analysis"? Sorry, analysis doesn't mean anything close. Analysis is the result of analyzing something, (a study of). Dictionary.com says it this way: "this process as a method of studying the nature of something or of determining its essential features and their relations"


I personally would not care if they call it a rose bush as long as it works and I can understand it. I don't care that my Clarion 'Cycle' command is 'Continue', as long as it works and I can understand it.

Again, we get back to the warning about doing things the 'WinDev Way', which you have already been told about. Thinking "why can it be just like ____ and use it's terminology" is counter productive. This product is not Clarion. This product is not Visual Fox Pro. If it was it would not do web and mobile. It is WinDev. Deal with it. Adapt. Learn. That is what we humans do.

von Art Bonds - am 06.12.2015 01:43

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Quote
Art Bonds

I personally would not care if they call it a rose bush as long as it works and I can understand it. I don't care that my Clarion 'Cycle' command is 'Continue', as long as it works and I can understand it.

Again, we get back to the warning about doing things the 'WinDev Way', which you have already been told about. Thinking "why can it be just like ____ and use it's terminology" is counter productive. This product is not Clarion. This product is not Visual Fox Pro. If it was it would not do web and mobile. It is WinDev. Deal with it. Adapt. Learn. That is what we humans do.


Some wise person once said on another site, and I quote... "Some of the terminology is a bit strange at least to me, but you only have to learn that once."

Totally agree with that wise feller... sound like a good ol' Tennessee boy. :cheers:

von Art Bonds - am 06.12.2015 01:48

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi Art,

>> Some wise person once said on another site, and I quote... "Some of the terminology is a bit strange at least to me, but you only have to learn that once." Totally agree with that wise feller... sound like a good ol' Tennessee boy

Close... but actually an ol' Kentucky boy...
Yes, it was my reply to a mentor of mine, Olaf Doschke that I got to know on Tek-Tips, a freakin genuis in VFP, SQL and much more. He has helped me so much. This is one of the forums that I added links to this forum to help other vfpers make the switch..

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 06.12.2015 02:15

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Well, if some damn Yankee had drawn the border right in the first place you would have been on the correct side of the line. ;-)

von Art Bonds - am 06.12.2015 03:20

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Stanley

I cannot understand why you have this problem! You are looking in all the wrong places; it is not in articles, blogs, faq, or in the toolbar. It is in the mai messaging forums. And you just need to enter the message id to get to that forum message thread.

The UT is easily (with all due respect to this forum) the most user-friendly and useable forum I have ever used in 30+ years of programming - by far. You simply log in. Then you are in the forums section. Then on the left are various navigation options. One of them is called "Message ID". Enter the ID I gave you and press Enter. The entire message thread appears on the right. Click any message to read it in the reading pane below. Simple as pie. I cannot re-create that entire thread here, it would simply be far too much work but also you would miss all the questions and comments from the other members.

If you cant get that then just post a new message saying "Looking for WinDev opinions" and I shall reply to you and link to the WInDev thread.

von JP - am 06.12.2015 09:02

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi JP,

I PM'ed you stating that I finally got it. Thanks!

About UT being easy to use, I beg to differ as it (UT) and Foxite are the two most difficult forums I've ever used. When I first discovered UT back in 2002, I cancelled it after 2 months and never looked back. (guess it comes down to personal preference)

Anyway, I'm studying what you wrote and has been helpful.

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 07.12.2015 04:49

Re: License Questions & Senerios

Hi JP,

I just finished reading and studying your UT article. It has been most helpful and covering a lot of questions on my list and some I needed to add to the list.

Thanks again!
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 08.12.2015 07:30
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