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Clarion CanDo and WinDev Cannot

Startbeitrag von StanleyBarnett am 08.01.2016 23:25

Hi,

I’ve read a lot of threads from Clarion users that states there are a lot of Clarion functionality that WinDev does not offer? I would like to see that list. Many were from closed threads. Was wondering if those claims still holds true? I come from VFP and not Clarion, and it appears there are a lot more Clarion users that made the switch than VFP users.

Thanks,
Stanley

Antworten:

Hi,

Iam not a clarion user but have red quite a bit on it before using windev. There are a a ton of posts on the subject. Moastly windev comes out on top.

I can say that windev , I am a user form version 12, has matured a lot. And does so each year.
I did moast of my programming in version 18 but recently moved to version 20 and there is a big difference:spos:

The thing is I guess that windev is great but the problem is more that ,at least in holland ,programming for the web is hot and for windows not anymore.

I have a windev app that I stated a view years ago and am still adding functionality. But I for new things it is going to be webdev for me.

It is possible to take a windev app to the web ( with ts plus ) but then it is not a native web app.
It is just not working as a native web app.

If this is not the case for you then believe me windev rocks. It is incredibly easy to develop stunning applications in record time:spos:


regards
Allard

von Allard - am 08.01.2016 23:58
Hi Allard,

Good to hear that WinDev is winning... and maybe that gap of what Clarion could do and what WinDev does now is narrowing. The desktop, web and mobile are all important to me, and PCSoft implementation of them all sharing a very similar code base and a single wlanguage is why I'm asking questions here. I really don't have the time to learn 3-5 frameworks as needed by most other solutions out there to build for these 3 platforms.

>> ts plus
Is that terminal services?

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 09.01.2016 00:30
Hi, many developers including myself, came to PC Soft after trying to battle Clarion. I endured two versions only and then I left. Admitted, these have been versions 1.5 and 2.0. At that time WINDEV 5.5 worked just fine out of the box while Clarion needed some 3rd party tools for a decent interface. It's still the case http://softvelocity.myshopify.com/collections/clarion-add-ons The quality of some of those 3rd party tools .. forget it.

von GuenterP - am 09.01.2016 07:28
Hi Stanley

Ok.I get what you mean. The w-language is indeed If you are looking for speed and ease of use nothing can beet WX!!!

At fist I was a bit sceptic went for the ease and speed in the understanding that there would problebly be things I couldnot do but that was fine. I make data centric apps and it seemed to be focused on that so I went for it.

I use to work at a software company where they used cobol , MS dynamic and began VS ( C#). I left them and started ussing windev. The programers heard about 5gl and told me it was a waste of time.
But it wasnot. I have always been able to make exactly what I wanted. No external tools no .net stuff !!

Today
Nowdays all kind of true 5gl tools show up. claming RAD in a new way. Medix , Out systems , betty blocks. and force .com
These tools come at a price. starting at 1200 for mendix 1600 for Out systems and 500 euro for betty blok. These are prices per month.
But in holland quite big govenment projects are done with these applications!! The plafforms dilivers resposive sites that can be used on tablets and phones as well. And If one wants an app then with phone gap that is possible as well

Webdev
Webdev is a tool that is nicely positioned between VS / php etc and the new 5gl SAAS development tools. It gives speed but does gives you control as well ( W language is easy enough yet verry powerfull!.)
Webdev 21 can deliver responsive sites out of the box as well and css can be adjusted easily. And Mobile can do native apps. webservices are verry easily made so connecting to what ever other app with soap etc is a snap.

The one thing that the 5gl SAAS tools have that is a bit an issue with webdev is scalebility. The platforms can scale to enterprice easily and can manage thousands of users if needed with no compromise. With webdev you have to manage the server yourself. And Is it at all suitebele for managing thousants of concurrent users ??? Maybe the PCSoft cloud is an answer to that??

TsPLUS
Indeed this is a product with witch you can take a windev app and put it via terminal server to the web. It has a nice html 5 front that takes your gui to the net and it seems to work. did some tests with it on a windows 2012 box. Their enterprice version can manage loadbalancing to an unlimited numer of servers. Cool thing is to that it doenot require windows users. You can setup users in tsplus. Up and download to the server is managed nicely as well. ( every user van have their own dir on server an see only that dir etc.)
You can host about 25 concurrent users on a 8gb virtual server. So For small projects it can be a solution.

regards
Allard

von Allard - am 09.01.2016 08:02
Hi,

Quoted Luiz from the "English LST" thread...
>> Table Filters with "Range" (Greater Then And Smaller Then), "Between" (Between two Dates), or similar thing. Concatenation of Filters with Ands and Ors

Is this still an issue?

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 09.01.2016 23:38
Hi,

I should have named this thread "I Wish WX Could Do ????" instead of "Clarion CanDo and WinDev Cannot". I added Clarion because I read a lot of cannot dos from the Clarion developers. Sorry...

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 09.01.2016 23:42
Hello Stanley

It is hard to see the relevance of a VFP developer looking for elements of difference between Clarion and Windev.
What does it benefit you to know if a Clarion function is missing from Windev or vice versa.

Select the best tool to meet your needs and make it work for you.

Regards
Al

von Al - am 10.01.2016 02:49
Hi Al,

The idea here is to see what WX cannot do that Clarion and VFP could easily do and something that is truly missed by those communities.

Most of the developers here seem to have Clarion backgrounds, hence I chose Clarion as the word, instead of VFP, of which there are few of us here.

I just read that rotating images is an issue.

And just found a major concern that Luiz was concerned about. I asked above (on this thread) if that was still an issue. That issue is a pretty big deal for us, and no one has clarified that yet.

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 10.01.2016 03:12
Stanley,

Why are you here? what is missing from VFP that makes you look somewhere else?

DW

von DW - am 10.01.2016 05:29
Hi dw,

>> Why are you here? what is missing from VFP that makes you look somewhere else?
I'm here evaluating where WX is worthy of the time needed for me to get up to speed.

VFP is very strong on what it was made for, and MS decided to kill it, so I'm looking for a replacement. I still develop in it daily for desktop and c/s.

Here are some of our requirements needed for our next tool set:
1. well supported by the factory,
2. good developer communities,
3. stable,
4. functions and controls fully baked,
5. good factory documentation & how-to guides,
6. good 3rd part addons, controls & support,
7. single code base for desktop, web & mobile,
8. bugs found in current release is fixed in next release,
9. no run time royalties,
10. various English 3rd publications, videos, how-to guides, tips, books and periodicals,
11. a near full featured environment that integrates the back end, front end, web, mobile, and the GUI all together. So far, PCSoft, Embarcadero and Alpha Anywhere are the only new environments that brings it all together, without the need for MANY frameworks. VFP done this as well, with little to no support for mobile and web work.
12. wysiwyg editors,
13. backed by a toolmaker that is interested in our success and acts like it,
14. other...

So far I've tried VS/C#, Embarcadero and Alpha Anywhere and had negative issues with all and their methodologies are just too different for us as a VFP shop, except VS. Alpha wants to do everything via genies and insulates the developer too much. They do allow for more under the covers adjustments, but no wysiwyg,

PCSoft does answer most of our requirements and is very similar to VFP in programming style, and that is why I'm still here.

The only things that is holding us back is lack of English books, guides, how-to guides, how bugs are handled,

If any of these issues have been addressed positively, then please say so which will counter a lot of negative threads I've been reading.

I just want to know what doesn't work before committing such a large investment of cash, and time. Its been suggested that we need to learn French... What a joke, as I'm 62 years old and don't know a single person that speaks French in my 200 mile market area. I have many Spanish speaking friends, so learning to speak French is not an option for me personally. Instead, I need to be spending what time I have left learning the tool set and PCSoft should be creating content for helping us use their tools. If I were 30 years old, then anything is possible. Whatever tool set we choose will probably the last tool set I'll get to learn, so I need to get it right...

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 10.01.2016 06:52
Stanley

You don't need to learn French. That is ridiculous. There is an incredibly extensive help system available, online and offline. That has been my number 1 resource for learning what I needed to learn. I ran through the tutorials that came with WinDev just to get a feel for things. I also used Fabrice's tutorials to learn a bit more about various things but it was sort of skipping through just to the points that interested me and that applied to our companies products. After actually developing WinDev applications and releasing them to clients for 2 years now (+/-) I cannot report any real problems.

Some points to remember:

1) Yes, it is a French company and it comes in French first. So what? A few months later you have an English version. Do you really need to have the first hot-off-the-press version before anyone else? What difference does it make that the English version comes out 6 months later?

2) Yes, it is a French company and things need to be translated. To suggest that English developers are a 2nd class citizen to PC Soft is ridiculous. Look at the massive English help system available which all had to be translated, proof-read, edited, etc into English. Look at all the marketing brochures that had to be translated. The numerous dialogs and interface elements that all had to be translated. Can anyone on this forum claim to have undertaken a similar sized language translation as that?

3) Yes there are bugs. VFP has so many bugs it is incredible. Just go read posts by Fabio Lunardon on the Universal Thread - this guy was finding bugs in VFP almost daily at one point before he just stopped bothering. Many are, admittedly, esoteric but they are there nonetheless. No dev-tool as extensive as WD is going to be bug-free. The only complaint one could have is there is no known-bug-list. Well, I don't publish known issues with our products to our clients either. One learns what bugs there are, finds solutions/work-arounds and move on.

4) WinDev is, imho, the best choice for a VFP developer for moving from a dead language to an actively developed, promoted, and state-of-the-art dev-tool ... fast ... bar none. But nothing is perfect. There are always trade-offs, pros and cons. But if it is a choice between VFP and WinDev then WinDev wins by far - not even close imo.

von JP - am 10.01.2016 12:16
Hi Stanley,

I made the switch from Clarion to WinDev some years ago.

Before that switch I used Clarion from approx 1996 until I made the WinDev switch in 2010/11 (If I recall right), and for a period I also was the Norwegian dealer of Clarion.

The main reason for the switch was the difference in resources of the two companies.

Clarion was founded of Bruce Barrington, and he had a superb team in the British Topspeed development company (Later merged with Clarion)
Later Clarion was sold out to some of the emploees and a private investment group.

Clarion 3`rd part has however always been in strenghts if you ask me, sure some 3`party tools where bad, but the majority was great and this extended the usefulness of Clarion by a wow factor. One of the more known third parties

I also would like to post that the Clarion Template system is lightyears ahead of any RAD system out on the marked.
But the question is: Do we need a RAD system anymore? . Who uses WinDev RAD generation? Or do we use a mix of generic classes/objects?

Softvelocity (New owners of the Clarion product lline) has (in my humble opinion) not enough resources to follow up and keep the product impressing, and so they do not attract new users (Where a majority tend to go the .NET route anyhow)
And marketing of Clarion has always been a disaster, if any marketing was done at all.

Clarion never had any software protection of the development system (I can copy the Clarion folder to a new PC double click on the executable and start developming on this PC to), I know companies with 4-5 developers using 1 purchased Clarion license.


WinDev on the other hand has a dongle (Protecting their investment) - pumps out 1000 more or less needed functions on each product each year, massive marketing making and a complete range.

If you purchase WinDev you get:
a Full blown Development system containing a big chunk of the 3`rd party tools you have to purchase with cw.
a Report generator (Report and queries) that can be distributed (3`rd party in cw)
a SQL database engine that can be distributed.
a Setupbuilder that can be modified
a ODBC Connector that can be distributed (You have to purchase a 5 pack with Softwelocity)
a multi-language support built into the developing system. (3`rd party in cw)
Native drivers for a lot of DB`s (And more could be purchased)
etc ...

So for me it was just not "this product is better that clarion" it is "the whole picture", and a company(PC Soft) that has the future in front of it self.

Cheers
Tor-Bjarne

von Tor-Bjarne - am 10.01.2016 16:00
you guys are too free , arguing something that soon to be extinct .

which ever better or less it doesn't matter anymore because native windows programming is going to be extinct .

forget about .Net / Webdev/ php, JavaScript is the future for web programming.

JavaScript Asynchronous programming is rock :hot:

von CCC2 - am 11.01.2016 06:15
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CCC
which ever better or less it doesn't matter anymore because native windows programming is going to be extinct


which ever better or less it doesn't matter anymore because native WEB programming is going to be extinct

It will all be about smart devices like phones, google glasses ,watches etc ;)

In the mean time, if your customer needs Web/Win Apps you are allowed 3 months further development.

Cheers
Tor-Bjarne

von Tor-Bjarne - am 11.01.2016 07:19
Hi CCC,

now I'm for 50+ years in this business ... guess how often I've heard and read the words "forget A, move over to B, because B will rock the IT world!". I've seen (and used some of them) assembler programming, Fortran, Algol, Basic, PL1, Turbo Pascal, C, C++, TAS, VB, VB.NET, C# and always those things have been the way to go. I learned to think differently. How can I get things done faster, with less errors and an adequate customer experience? I don't care about "procedural" or "object oriented", I don't care about programming languages, IT-buzzwords etc. I can make any programming language do what I want - the questions are always: is it what the customer wants and which price both of us will have to pay?

von GuenterP - am 11.01.2016 07:24
Hi CCC2, stanlyn

"you guys are too free , arguing something that soon to be extinct ."

I stated that ealier. But if stanlyn you are in the business of making windows client server apps. Then windev is the app that really is great.

For web webdev is great as well. Version 21 supports responsive design in a visual way. At top speed as well!!
Webdev is not as mature as windev. But it can do a lot and it is open to .net etc.

If you are into javascript you can try wakanda. It is clinet / serverside javascript and has a free ide. Looks good. Some things can even be done without programming.

But As Guenter stated. You need to be able to get things done quick!!. And webdev can do that. I made a verry specific insurance calculation application with webdev ( php modus witch is limited) but I was able to get it done in 2 weeks and 1 extra week to tweek it. This is speed!!

For desktop client server windev is incredible. I am in the proces of completijng the dashboard feature. The whole thing is generetic. end user can not only add widgets that are pre made. They can make their own dashboards and widgets. They can select rows etc and make table views and charts. etc. And the consept I use to get this goig isnot that difficult

I could not even dream of making this kind of stuff in an other development IDE!!!

von Allard - am 11.01.2016 09:34
Quote
Allard
Hi CCC2, stanlyn

"you guys are too free , arguing something that soon to be extinct ."

I stated that ealier. But if stanlyn you are in the business of making windows client server apps. Then windev is the app that really is great.

For web webdev is great as well. Version 21 supports responsive design in a visual way. At top speed as well!!
Webdev is not as mature as windev. But it can do a lot and it is open to .net etc.

If you are into javascript you can try wakanda. It is clinet / serverside javascript and has a free ide. Looks good. Some things can even be done without programming.

But As Guenter stated. You need to be able to get things done quick!!. And webdev can do that. I made a verry specific insurance calculation application with webdev ( php modus witch is limited) but I was able to get it done in 2 weeks and 1 extra week to tweek it. This is speed!!

For desktop client server windev is incredible. I am in the proces of completijng the dashboard feature. The whole thing is generetic. end user can not only add widgets that are pre made. They can make their own dashboards and widgets. They can select rows etc and make table views and charts. etc. And the consept I use to get this goig isnot that difficult

I could not even dream of making this kind of stuff in an other development IDE!!!


Hi Allard,

Thank for info about wakanda , look interesting.

first, i want to say is that no one doubt that windev is the best of windows development tools in term of speed. the problem is the market no longer want native windows application , corporate prefer web application where they can host on their server / cloud . other reason is problem in installation / upgrading for native windows application in tight security environment .

This is why I said that, it is waste of time to argue about which can do and cannot do between clarion and windev when market is moving away from native windows application.

This year I will most likely will drop upgrade to windev21 , i dropped webdev years ago , the reason? , I tired try to convince customer that installing WAS on their server is safe. it is hard to argue when webdev is closed source and not well known .

von CCC2 - am 11.01.2016 11:49
Quote
Tor-Bjarne
WinDev on the other hand has a dongle (Protecting their investment) - pumps out 1000 more or less needed functions on each product each year, massive marketing making and a complete range.


To be fair the 1000 functions or features is greatly exaggerated. I remember looking at the "920 new features" for Windev20 and many that should have been 1 feature were broken down in to 10 or more features.

I would much rather them fix remaining issues such as looper control bugs or window resize/redraw issues.

von Curtis - am 11.01.2016 17:15
Hi Curtis,

Now we are getting somewhere...Would you explain what PCSoft needs to fix concerning:
1. looper control bugs
2. window resize/redraw issues
and the workarounds needed? How important is this? How many versions ago was these reported?

Thanks,
Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 11.01.2016 18:05
Quote
Curtis
To be fair the 1000 functions or features is greatly exaggerated. I remember looking at the "920 new features" for Windev20 and many that should have been 1 feature were broken down in to 10 or more features.


Yes, agreed - I think as part of their marked strategy, they want to finish up on 920 features for version 20 so they take some short cuts.

But if you for example compare to Clarion: "How many years passed between v6 and v7? how many new features was there? - PCSoft pulls out dozens of features every year .. and .. actually, some without bugs to ;)

I`m not a "iPhone like" / "Andriod" fanboy when it comes to WinDev, I too would love to have a bug database in WinDev, as I had one in clarion, English LST, and so forth but the product is a lot of value for your money and "It gets the job done" (Quotation of Bruce Barrington founder of clarion)

Cheers
Tor-Bjarne

von Tor-Bjarne - am 11.01.2016 18:31
Need some advice here. I started looking for a new house months ago. The one I am in is not perfect, has freezing drafts, the warranty is out and the builder won't support or improve it anymore, and the water tastes funny.

I have certain requirements. 3 bedrooms, 2 bath, kit/dining/living room, a breakfast nook that faces East to catch the morning sun. Two car garage, with room to park my golf cart. Oh, and lap siding as I hate stucco. Reverse osmosis filtering system built in so I don't have to use those Brita thingies. And the builder must be 'green'... what ever that is.

Found a few houses. One had a nice breakfast nook but it faced South, and there was no room for my golf cart. Another had 4 bedrooms... wasteful in my opinion. Another home I looked at was almost perfect but the bedrooms were a little small, and I heard the electrical system had issues.

Do you think I could get the builder of the first house to pick it up and rotate it so the nook is on the East, and add an addition to the garage so I can park my cart?

A friend of mine started looking for a new house at the same time as I. He said he found one that, while not absolutely perfect, was very close. He is satisfied as it meets most of his needs and he and his family appears to be warm. I think he sold out and could have gotten better if he just waited for the builder to come around to his way of thinking. He is an Idiot.

For the time being I will continue to freeze, put up with the funny tasting water, and waiting for the perfect house. I shouldn't have to wait long. Right?

Thanks,

von Art Bonds - am 12.01.2016 14:31
:spos:

von Arie - am 12.01.2016 14:36
:spos:

lol

von JP - am 12.01.2016 16:03
Hi Art,

>> I shouldn't have to wait long. Right?

Depends if you waiting on PCSoft or not... according to the many posts I've read where the posters are saying "don't hold your breath" and reported and verified issues persist over/across many versions of the product.

I'm looking for a perfect product, however knowing that no such thing exists I need one that is proactive in solving issues caused by their products instead of ignoring them and has a vested interest in our success.

I believe a better analogy to our tool sets would be to a partner or spouse where you spend a lot of time with them. After all, we are partnering with our tool set's company. If your spouse continually ignores your needs and requests, how long will that relationship last?

Trust is the cornerstone of all successful relationships!

Unlike a house where you only visit at night, one could tolerate a lot of issues. But at soon as the roof fails and you get wet while trying to sleep, then you will do something...

I've also sensed many here are also frustrated but has either given up on expecting PCSoft to fix its problems, bur have already invested a lot of time and resources with some level of success that they are trapped. Had they have known up-front their requests and needs would go ignored, would they have still chosen this path. If the answer is still yes, then you've got my attention...

My 2cents...

Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 12.01.2016 20:02
Hi stanley,

windev may have a view bugs. all software does have that. I am verry productive using the product .

Iam not a native programmer. with That I mean , have no education what so ever. I am what people sometimes call a domeinexpert. And with windev this is enough!!

Talking about 10X speed. Well I have made an accounting system that can compeet and does complete with a product that is made and maintaind by 8 c# developers in Visual studio.

If that is not speed and ease of use thaen I donnot know what that is.

- I was able to add ubl invoicing ( ubl stands for digital invoicing via xml, a standard in Hollandf) in about 3 weeks time. When I started I didnot even know what xml was. !!


Well this is my third post on this and iam not gooing to post an other one.

regards
Allard

von Allard - am 12.01.2016 21:42
Quote
stanlyn
Hi Art,

>> I shouldn't have to wait long. Right?

Depends if you waiting on PCSoft or not... according to the many posts I've read where the posters are saying "don't hold your breath" and reported and verified issues persist over/across many versions of the product.

I'm looking for a perfect product, however knowing that no such thing exists I need one that is proactive in solving issues caused by their products instead of ignoring them and has a vested interest in our success.

I believe a better analogy to our tool sets would be to a partner or spouse where you spend a lot of time with them. After all, we are partnering with our tool set's company. If your spouse continually ignores your needs and requests, how long will that relationship last?

Trust is the cornerstone of all successful relationships!

Unlike a house where you only visit at night, one could tolerate a lot of issues. But at soon as the roof fails and you get wet while trying to sleep, then you will do something...

I've also sensed many here are also frustrated but has either given up on expecting PCSoft to fix its problems, bur have already invested a lot of time and resources with some level of success that they are trapped. Had they have known up-front their requests and needs would go ignored, would they have still chosen this path. If the answer is still yes, then you've got my attention...

My 2cents...

Stanley


I've been using Windev for 10 years. If I picked any number the hottest new things (or whatever flavor MS was shilling then...) in 2006 I may well be dead in the water right now.

Is Windev perfect. No. But I've also never hit an issue that I couldn't work around. I'd pick Windev again in a minute. It's served me very well.

von steve erts - am 12.01.2016 22:12
Thanks Steve for your take on it!

Stanley

von StanleyBarnett - am 12.01.2016 22:24
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stanlyn
Thanks Steve for your take on it!

Stanley


To give you a little background I have two large client/server systems I've developed in Windev. They're both in WD20 right now. One is an engineering project management system running on a MYSQL DB and other is a CRM/Booking System for Tour Operators that runs on SQL Server. Most of my clients run on hosted servers and deploy the apps over Windows RemoteAPP.

von steve erts - am 12.01.2016 22:57
Hi Steve,

RemoteApp do you mean remote desktop?

regards
Allard

von Allard - am 12.01.2016 23:39
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Allard
Hi Steve,

RemoteApp do you mean remote desktop?

regards
Allard


RemoteAPP is a variation of Remote Desktop that lets you push just the application over the internet so that when the client clicks on the RDP icon it opens the application like it was on the local desktop. It works really well and the only (small) downside is that drag & drop between local machine and remote app isn't supported. (cut and paste works though)

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc755055.aspx

von steve erts - am 12.01.2016 23:53
Quote
stanlyn
Hi Art,
>> I shouldn't have to wait long. Right?

Depends if you waiting on PCSoft or not... according to the many posts I've read where the posters are saying "don't hold your breath" and reported and verified issues persist over/across many versions of the product.
...
I'm looking for a perfect product, however knowing that no such thing exists I need one that is proactive in solving issues caused by their products instead of ignoring them and has a vested interest in our success.
...
Trust is the cornerstone of all successful relationships!
Stanley


You're using a Microsoft product right now, correct? How is that successful relationship thing working out for you right now? Do you trust Micro$haft to have a vested interest in your success and do the right thing for YOU, or for THEM? Yes, this is a reality test.

Have you yet to find a company that fits your criteria? Yes, I know you want one, but again... this is a reality test.

In buying a house, it is said that if a house has 90 percent of what you want, buy it. I think the same applies to most anything in life. I think you have set the bar way to high. In my opinion you will consistently be left waiting at the alter if you are looking for that perfect spouse.

Again, just my opinion.

von Art Bonds - am 13.01.2016 01:39
Quote
stanlyn

I believe a better analogy to our tool sets would be to a partner or spouse where you spend a lot of time with them.
...
I've also sensed many here are also frustrated but has either given up on expecting PCSoft to fix its problems, bur have already invested a lot of time and resources with some level of success that they are trapped. Had they have known up-front their requests and needs would go ignored, would they have still chosen this path. If the answer is still yes, then you've got my attention...

Stanley


I hate to break it to you, but that partner or spouse you spend a lot of time with... well, she's sleeping around on you. Yes, she has had and still has many suitors, you only being one of the latest. And unless you have enough money where she will go steady with you and only you... well, you can count on seconds. You are not her only focus, she has to please others too. She is in constantly in need of money to move forward, and will stagnate if not taken care of properly.

My old girlfriend, Ms. Clarion, was that way. Barrington, the only guy with any decent money, divorced her, sold her off to another suitor who never had the resources to properly keep her up. Never really had enough boyfriends with enough money to keep her progressing forward. Stagnated for years, teasing us with promises of a new beautiful version that came out so ugly and buggy that, while many were in that "trapped" stage you describe, many of us finally abandoned her, tired of her false promises of "Soon".

After her many of us found new girlfriends. Many went with a Borg from the Pacific Northwest. Some of us found a new French girlfriend... admittedly some of us were cheating with her already, give our old girlfriend's antics. You know, straying hearts.

And while my new French girlfriend is not perfect, she is close enough to keep me pleased. And she likes my dongle.

C'est la vie. ;)

von Art Bonds - am 13.01.2016 09:10
Art, Is she the blonde or the brunette from the PCS ads? ;)

von DarrenF - am 13.01.2016 09:32
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Art Bonds
she likes my dongle


:D:D:D

von Ned! - am 13.01.2016 11:21
Clarion can't work on linux,iMac but m/s only and can't work on iPAD, iPhone, iWatch,
not sure Android, windows mobile. WX is a hybrid system and has future while Clarion is
stick to m/s platform only so can't even compete with wx indeed, case closed.

King
:confused:

von kingdr - am 13.01.2016 12:38
The main (only?) advantage Clarion has over Wx is RAD. Clarion has always had the best 2-way RAD. Windev's one-way-only RAD has been a joke compared to Clarion.
Currently Windev has a new RAD system, but it seems to be a mess -- I haven't been able to find the head and tail of it so I haven't used it.
But Windev does have a very good template system for windows and controls, which is comparable to a 2-way RAD and effectively can replace it. Still, Clarion's RAD is better.

Best regards
Ola

von Ola - am 13.01.2016 13:05
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DarrenF
Art, Is she the blonde or the brunette from the PCS ads? ;)


Yes.

Who says you have to be monogamous? :rp:

von Art Bonds - am 14.01.2016 05:59
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