[WB22] First impression

Startbeitrag von Piet van Zanten am 11.05.2017 14:04

Hi,

I installed the pre-release of WB22 US, converted a rather complex responsive site to v22 and it worked right away.
However when I compared the generated html of a page generated in in WB21 with WB22, the number of used <table> tags was exactly 164 in both versions.
In fact the generated html seemed the same alltogether.
So the promise to gradually produce more clean html pages in each version does not apply to v22 yet.
Apparently the engine has not changed at all except for the new features (I always grin when I see how they manage to squeeze several new features out of only one).

Kind regards,
Piet

Antworten:

Yes, it looks wb22 is better than before.

I suggest pcSoft should create a new version folder for new features examples code under c:\windev 22\Examples\New features that would be great to get us better understanding
in future.

A wishlist... :)

King

von kingdr - am 12.05.2017 16:35
Hi Piet,

Thanks for your update. At the moment I'm using WB17 and I can say that I'm not that enthusiastic. Considering to update to 22. Do you think that this kind of update give me a warmer feeling than 17.

I won't hold it against you if it doesn't after updating :cheers:

Best regards,

Aad

von Aad Gouka - am 13.05.2017 23:41
Hi Aad,

I had decided to stick with WB 19, because non of the new features seamed worth upgrading to me.
And I'm not talking about the money, but about the extra work it would cost me, because previous upgrades caused many, many problems.
WB19 was reliable and I could do what needed to be done.

But when I got an assignment for which I needed 21, I did upgrade to 21, at the time including a free upgrade to 22.
Useful new features in 22 are (to me personally):
- html5 upload control (finally!)
- planes
- multi monitor support
- no upgrading issues (sofar)
The difference between 17 and 22 will be huge so I guess there will be many upgrading issues.
(I remember struggling with styles somewhere between 17 and 19)
Perhaps later you will have that warm feeling.

Kind regards,
Piet

von Piet van Zanten - am 14.05.2017 08:18
Thanks Piet,

I have a small project made with WB, so conversion won't be a big deal I guess.

The biggest problem for me with WB17 is making a consistent screen layout and functions working or not working. Maybe I used WB too much in a WD way.

I take it that setting up screens is much better than in WB17 and that alone will be a big improvement for me.

Best regards,

Aad

von Aad Gouka - am 14.05.2017 13:09
Hi,

The planes are extremely useful and imo this feature alone is worth upgrading.
You can create planes on each cell in a page, even a cell with planes inside a cell with planes.
And it all works like a charm.
In a looper you can use the plane attribute for a cell to display different content.
And I have NO ISSUES at all after upgrading, no time lost!

Kind regards,
Piet

von Piet van Zanten - am 19.05.2017 08:05
Hi Piet,

Maybe I have to take a look at the planes . I was not verry enthousiastic about it for I used tabs where ever I needed a plane. Hading showing tabs. But if it can be used on cell as you discribe that that is great.

Hi Aad,

Upgradiung to 22 from 17 is a huge step. webdev 21 for me was already great. For me version 21 , comming from version 18, gave me the confidence to make a real application with webdev. Version 22 is even better. It allows importing javascript frameworks with a control .

So far This feature really works.I have been able to add gant charts etc to webdev . Still not loading data from my db but from manually added Json. This really works like a charm

Ok tables are the same. Pc soft states that 21 and 22 are the same and no conversion has to be done so you are right on that. But iam not really interested in that generated stuff as long as it supports all modern browsers.

regards
Allard

von Allard - am 19.05.2017 09:57
Hi Allard,

Thanks for the input. The only thing I need is the possiblity to make simple datadriven websites (webinterface) which I can use to access my Windev files. I no nothing about Webdesign, Javascript or Json, so I will use Webdev in it's most basic form. That'lll do for me.

Best regards,

Aad

von Aad Gouka - am 19.05.2017 14:09
Hi Aad,

Ok get that.

webdev is geat for that. It is a bit more sensitive then windev but you can use it for your purpose absolutely. And developing is not that different as developing a windev app.

Stay in server code and you can debug just as a windev app.

Just using webdev controls you can make great sites. From version 21 it is my opinion that it can be used to really create SAAS applications. Just 100% webdev . ( browsing utube I saw a french company that made it's ERP completely with webdev )

But version 22 offers adding external libraries. This was the missing pin that disconnected webdev from the world of open source. Now it is open to that and that is great. Now there is nothing that cannot be done !!. This doesnot mean you have to use this functionality. It means we or not locked in.!! And that is a big thing
Initially for me this means problebly using 5 % external stuff and 95% native webdev.

regards

Allard

von Allard - am 20.05.2017 17:26
Hello Allard,

Thanks for your further input. I'm glad to read that Webdev has evolved and maybe I will get the hang of it and use it more often.

Coming week I will make a testdrive with a copy of my project 17->22.

Best regards,

Aad

von Aad Gouka - am 21.05.2017 15:01
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